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MP3 tagger

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:03 pm
by Mike1
Can anyone recommend an MP3 tagger?

It's classical CDs that're the problem for me. I find when I rip them that Max doesn't seem to write the composer field to the files.

I've got Cowbell tagger on Linux but that doesn't have "composer". I'd prefer one for OS X if anyone's got any suggestions - but otherwise on Linux or Windows, if someone knows a good one on either of those platforms.

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:13 pm
by krmathis
Apple iTunes :roll:

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:09 pm
by Mike1
I read recently that that had a disastrously poor tagger:

http://www.tweaknews.net/reviews/itunes7/

However, since posting I tried it, and the article appears to be incorrect.

Re: MP3 tagger

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:47 pm
by sbooth
Mike1 wrote:Can anyone recommend an MP3 tagger?

It's classical CDs that're the problem for me. I find when I rip them that Max doesn't seem to write the composer field to the files.
FYI- the newer svn versions of Max do write the composer tag, so hopefully this will obviate the need for an external MP3 tagger. Also, MP3 support is on the horizon for Tag, but probably not for a while.

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:48 am
by Maurits
I use Media Rage. It's not free but for me it's worth it. It supports the 'Composer' field.

Regarding iTunes. On OS X the only downside to iTunes tagging I know of is that it defaults to ID3v2.2 which is ancient. It does support up to ID3v2.4 though but you need to explicitly select it.
I think the article you linked to tested the Windows version of iTunes. There are some known issues with ID3v2.4 tagging on Windows, it doesn't support 'sync-safe' tags so any ID3v2.4 tags made with true ID3v2.4 compliant programs will have weird behaviour in iTunes.

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:26 pm
by Mike1
Thanks, guys. Interesting stuff.

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:35 pm
by Fuga
Maurits wrote:Regarding iTunes. On OS X the only downside to iTunes tagging I know of is that it defaults to ID3v2.2 which is ancient. It does support up to ID3v2.4 though but you need to explicitly select it.
And how can I do that?

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:45 am
by T.D.S.
Highlight item(s) and invoke the contextual menu. From there, select "convert ID3 tags".

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:07 pm
by Fuga
Thanks!

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:18 am
by demenas
krmathis wrote:Apple iTunes :roll:
I was doing a test today with iTunes 7.0.1, creating MP3s, and was astonished to find out that it does not actually put ANY ID3 tags in the file itself. It must keep them all in its database.

Thus I don't think iTunes is a good solution. This is one of the reasons I started looking at Max today, as I too rip Classical CDs.

Steve

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:01 pm
by Mike1
Not by default, but as was said above you can explicitly convert to ID3 tags by highlighting the items and choosing "Convert ID3 tags" from the contextual menu.

Also, I've found if Max has tagged the items with ID3v2.4, if I subsequently alter the tags in iTunes then it does seem to honour the existing format - at least if I do it in iTunes on OS X. (Haven't tried on Windows iTunes yet.)

I find the tagging information usually needs so much tidying up with classical that it's almost inevitable that I'll either need to make changes in Max before ripping/encoding or in iTunes after - or both, if I do the first and then notice something afterwards, or if the changes I've made don't take, which happens occasionally (I'm not sure why).

The CDDB (used by iTunes) often seems a little better than the Freedb (used by Max) but with either there can be odd anomalies with fields inexplicably swapped or misfilled. It's all down to the vagaries of how those submitting choose to do it. In addition, some people like to put the album title (or a shortened version of it) followed by a colon followed by the track name; others just the track name. And still other put the album name only for the first track and the track name only for all the subsequent tracks - I've never seen the logic behind that choice.

In short, a bit of tidying up is often needed. AFAICT, iTunes is OK for that, but I can't say I really trust it. And it is bad that it gives genre numbers instead of names if the tagging was done in a standards-compliant tagger.