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Lossless Files on Portable Player

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:48 am
by Dial
I want to convert my Flac files to another lossless format to play on my portable music player. Can anyone suggest some widely accepted lossless files for your average MP3 player. Or is that a contradiction in terms?

Suggestions gratefully recieved.

Re: Lossless Files on Portable Player

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:42 pm
by sbooth
Dial wrote:I want to convert my Flac files to another lossless format to play on my portable music player. Can anyone suggest some widely accepted lossless files for your average MP3 player. Or is that a contradiction in terms?
Format support will be fairly player-specific. WAV is pretty universal, but the size of the files and lack of metadata generally make it impractical for portable players. Which player do you have or are you considering?

Re: Lossless Files on Portable Player

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:01 pm
by RonaldPR
Why not keep the flac files for archiving purposes (or for playing with Play :wink: ) and convert them to MP3 for use on portable devices? Any portable player will play MP3 files and if you choose a high quality encoding you will hear no difference compared with lossless files. Max's "Transparent" MP3 setting is a very good compromise and Max's "Best" MP3 setting will produce files that are indiscernable from the original for even the most sensitive ears.

Re: Lossless Files on Portable Player

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:49 am
by drayon
You could replace the Firmware/OS of an existing player with Rockbox as i have done on my iPod Mini.

http://www.rockbox.org/

Re: Lossless Files on Portable Player

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:03 pm
by smiler
If you want a lossless format, you're already using the most "widely accepted" format. However, lossless formats are not generally widely supported.

Before chasing after lossless formats on a portable player, you should consider if you really need it. If you were to purchase a flash based player, which have capacities up to 8GB now, then that's roughly 20 albums (in FLAC). If you want more than this, you're into hard-disc based players (which already limits your options greatly), where more disc access = drain on battery life. This is what lead me to choose 160kbps VBR AAC for my iPod. (Besides disc-space requirements, AAC is a more efficient encoder and, on the iPod, decoder than MP3.)

If you still want lossless:

If you were to look in terms of number of units, Apple's iPod is not only the most abundant portable music player, it's also the most abundant player that supports a lossless audio format: ALAC (Apple Lossless Audio Codec/Coding). While Apple call it this, it isn't Apple's at all — much like AAC, it's MPEG4 lossless (so in theory, it's industry standard).

Otherwise, there are Cowon players that support FLAC. In fact, the list of players which support FLAC is on the FLAC web page, and it's not particularly long.

As drayon suggested, you can try Rockbox, but the player will become unsupported by the manufacturer, and if you install it on an iPod, you'll find the battery life at least halves (as it's not properly optimised for the iPod's processor).