khead takes a whack

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khead takes a whack

Post by khead » Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:02 pm

I haven’t had all that much of a chance to check out Rip yet, but I’m finding it fairly stable and functional on my Macbook.

Issues so far:

Doesn’t work with my Plextor 230. This drive also didn’t work with Max’s Basic, or Comparison ripper when I checked a couple of years ago. Works with XLD and iTunes.
If you let me know what would be helpful for me to do, or look for on this. I’ll do it.

Rip has crashed a couple of times during some “challenging” rips. Once just on it’s own, and once when hitting the “cancel” button.
I saved the crash reports - Do you want to be seeing all crash reports?

So far, Rip seems to rip pretty comparably to XLD with the new Paranoia - Near the same speed (Haven’t checked, but it seems fairly close), and “hangs” in the same spots.
I’ve come across one case where XLD breezes through damaged data layer track, and delivers a rip reporting just 1 Atom jitter error. Same track, Rip spends a long, long time, and gives up. The track was just missing from the results of my first attempt. I’m trying a second time right now. (note - second attempt didn’t work)
Does Rip have any error tolerance? Can it give a “best effort” result?

Other things are working good for me. Eject button seems reliable, and Gracenote retrieval is fine.


My thought on developing Rip is, that if you want to make it useful to the broadest possible audience, make it’s basic mode as close as possible to ripping in iTunes. The basic CD window should have just one button that says “Import CD using Rip”, the Eject button, and some indicator window that says “Rip Successful” or not --- and of course, files going directly into iTunes.
The only additional user effort could be having to open Rip and and at most click the import button there rather than in iTunes (or auto import on disk insertion for the truly lazy). That would serve most Mac users just fine.

Of course, keep the more advanced features, but keep them buried a bit for the more advanced users to seek out.

I’d like to be able to rip with multiple formats, and it would be nice to see some detail on what work the ripper did on individual tracks.
Hey, I barely even know what the Paranoia logs mean, but it’s nice to see a column of zeros.


Rip is looking really good!

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Re: khead takes a whack

Post by Fuga » Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:15 am

Rip doesn't use paranoia.

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Re: khead takes a whack

Post by khead » Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:29 am

I'm aware of that.

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Re: khead takes a whack

Post by Fuga » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:27 am

'K. I misunderstood the following:
khead wrote:Hey, I barely even know what the Paranoia logs mean, but it’s nice to see a column of zeros.

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Re: khead takes a whack

Post by khead » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:39 am

There seems to be another issue relating to using different drives.

I'm ripping a the same damaged track again that had produced the crashes mentioned above. The previous attempts were done on an external drive, and CPU usage steadily crept up over time to a high level where I decided to cancel the rip, which triggered a crash. Right now I have the same rip going again with the internal drive, and it's been going at least as long as the external drive rip, with very low CPU and memory usage (under %5 CPU now vs. over %150 with external).
Somethings up here.
Again , let me know how I might what other information I might be able to provide on this.


Another question that I didn't ask above - Do you have any thought of adding Paranoia to Rip?
From the flowchart, and from the results I've seen so far, the comparison ripper will only spit out a file if it gets it's rips to match.
Some CD flaws just cannot be repaired, or overcome. In some cases, it's better to have the best rip you can get, rather than no rip at all.

If nothing works perfect, you fall back and see what works best. It might be nice to have another option to try within the Rip interface.

Just wondering...

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Re: khead takes a whack

Post by khead » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:41 am

Fuga wrote:'K. I misunderstood the following:
khead wrote:Hey, I barely even know what the Paranoia logs mean, but it’s nice to see a column of zeros.
I can be a bit obscure :P

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Re: khead takes a whack

Post by sbooth » Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:57 pm

khead wrote:Doesn’t work with my Plextor 230. This drive also didn’t work with Max’s Basic, or Comparison ripper when I checked a couple of years ago. Works with XLD and iTunes.
If you let me know what would be helpful for me to do, or look for on this. I’ll do it.
Can you elaborate on this? The only issues I've seen in my testing arose from problems with external enclosures with USB bridge chipsets not supporting C2 correctly. If you go into the advanced prefs and disable C2 support for the drive does anything change?
Rip has crashed a couple of times during some “challenging” rips. Once just on it’s own, and once when hitting the “cancel” button.
I saved the crash reports - Do you want to be seeing all crash reports?
Yes, please.
Does Rip have any error tolerance? Can it give a “best effort” result?
Right now, no. This would be simple to add but I'm not sure how to present it to the user.

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Re: khead takes a whack

Post by khead » Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:04 pm

sbooth wrote:
khead wrote:Doesn’t work with my Plextor 230. This drive also didn’t work with Max’s Basic, or Comparison ripper when I checked a couple of years ago. Works with XLD and iTunes.
If you let me know what would be helpful for me to do, or look for on this. I’ll do it.
Can you elaborate on this? The only issues I've seen in my testing arose from problems with external enclosures with USB bridge chipsets not supporting C2 correctly. If you go into the advanced prefs and disable C2 support for the drive does anything change?
Rip has crashed a couple of times during some “challenging” rips. Once just on it’s own, and once when hitting the “cancel” button.
I saved the crash reports - Do you want to be seeing all crash reports?
Yes, please.
Does Rip have any error tolerance? Can it give a “best effort” result?
Right now, no. This would be simple to add but I'm not sure how to present it to the user.
I'm using the FireWire connection on my enclosures. I just tried disabling C2 without any difference.
Here's what comes up in the System Log:

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Dec 15 15:27:14 new-host Rip[347]: Beginning extraction for track 8
Dec 15 15:27:25 new-host kernel[0]: SAM Multimedia: READ or WRITE failed, SENSE_KEY = 0x0b, ASC = 0xbf, ASCQ = 0x00
Dec 15 15:27:55: --- last message repeated 2 times ---
Dec 15 15:27:58 new-host kernel[0]: SAM Multimedia: READ or WRITE failed, SENSE_KEY = 0x0b, ASC = 0xbf, ASCQ = 0x00
Dec 15 15:28:28: --- last message repeated 1 time ---
I'll post the other crash reports, but I need to figure out how to use the code box here - the logs are huge.

It might be good for you to post guidelines - at least for me, and any other non-programers here - about how best to go about reporting problems.
For instance, for the crashes,I copied the info in the crash report that goes to Apple, but I'm not sure that that's not more geared to being useful to Apple. I could have grabbed the parts of the System Log instead.
How much do you want to know about system hardware and software?
Is there some standard procedure best to follow?
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Re: khead takes a whack

Post by khead » Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:27 pm

Here's a message that comes up when using xACT with the Plextor:

cdda2wav: There is no sound support configured!
Type: ROM, Vendor 'PLEXTOR ' Model 'CD-R PX-230A ' Revision '1.02' cdda2wav: Warning: controller creates hard SCSI failure when retrieving CD capabilities page.
MMC+CDDA
176128 bytes buffer memory requested, transfer size 32768 bytes, 4 buffers, 13 sectors
#Cdda2wav version 2.01.01a28_darwin_8.10.1_i386_i386, libparanoia support

If that means anything relevant.

The drive is functional with xACT.

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Re: khead takes a whack

Post by khead » Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:46 pm

The drive works with Rip using the USB connection.
At least I can include it in my Rip testing now - It's my best drive.

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Re: khead takes a whack

Post by khead » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:04 pm

Well, I managed to rip one track at least. Tried twice to rip the full CD with no luck.

Dec 15 16:35:22 new-host FileSyncAgent[135]: MKCOL /.FileSync (FAILED), httpStatusCode:405, errorType:100, transactionState:5, txnId:24547EA2-0562-43D2-AE64-54DB73A98A69, auto-retries=0, manual-retries=0
Dec 15 16:35:30 new-host Rip[477]: Rip 1.0pb2 (6b0291c) log opened
Dec 15 16:35:32 new-host Rip[477]: Found compact disc on disk3
Dec 15 16:35:44 new-host Rip[477]: Querying http://www.accuraterip.com/accuraterip/ ... 115e13.bin
Dec 15 16:36:13 new-host Rip[477]: Rip(477,0xb0103000) malloc: free_garbage: garbage ptr = 0x12f8ab0, has non-zero refcount = 1
Dec 15 16:36:13 new-host Rip[477]: Rip(477,0xb0103000) malloc: free_garbage: garbage ptr = 0x12fddc0, has non-zero refcount = 1
Dec 15 16:36:13 new-host [0x0-0x41041].org.sbooth.Rip[477]: Rip(477,0xb0103000) malloc: free_garbage: garbage ptr = 0x12f8ab0, has non-zero refcount = 1
Dec 15 16:36:13 new-host [0x0-0x41041].org.sbooth.Rip[477]: Rip(477,0xb0103000) malloc: free_garbage: garbage ptr = 0x12fddc0, has non-zero refcount = 1
Dec 15 16:36:26 new-host Rip[477]: Unable to read the international standard recording code (ISRC) for track 1
Dec 15 16:36:27 new-host Rip[477]: Beginning extraction for track 1
Dec 15 16:36:42 new-host Rip[477]: Extracted sectors 0 - 15731 to 202dfe98.wav, 0 C2 block errors. MD5 = ebd9cdbe762d112c1d58148a57360af7
Dec 15 16:36:52 new-host Rip[477]: Extracted sectors 0 - 15731 to 575450bb.wav, 0 C2 block errors. MD5 = ebd9cdbe762d112c1d58148a57360af7
Dec 15 16:36:54 new-host Rip[477]: Encoding /var/folders/5P/5PtHYSP0FoCG9ZB4wcAuWE+++TI/-Tmp-/4b3160b3.wav to /Users/davesproul/Desktop/MAX/Various Artists/Get Ready, Here Come ... The 70's/01 In The Summertime.wav using WAVE
Dec 15 16:46:18 new-host FileSyncAgent[135]: MKCOL /.FileSync (FAILED), httpStatusCode:405, errorType:100, transactionState:5, txnId:1A3B9D56-7FFC-450C-A309-E1D1ED49641E, auto-retries=0, manual-retries=0
Dec 15 16:49:20 new-host Rip[477]: Unable to read the international standard recording code (ISRC) for track 1
Dec 15 16:49:43 new-host Rip[477]: Unable to read the international standard recording code (ISRC) for track 16
Dec 15 16:49:44 new-host Rip[477]: Beginning extraction for track 1
Dec 15 16:49:55 new-host kernel[0]: SAM Multimedia: READ or WRITE failed, SENSE_KEY = 0x05, ASC = 0x64, ASCQ = 0x00
Dec 15 17:00:11 new-host FileSyncAgent[135]: MKCOL /.FileSync (FAILED), httpStatusCode:405, errorType:100, transactionState:5, txnId:3A928587-5AFD-4BE9-9933-46864EA4EAD6, auto-retries=0, manual-retries=0
Dec 15 17:01:43 new-host Rip[477]: Unable to read the international standard recording code (ISRC) for track 1
Dec 15 17:02:06 new-host Rip[477]: Unable to read the international standard recording code (ISRC) for track 16
Dec 15 17:02:07 new-host Rip[477]: Beginning extraction for track 1
Dec 15 17:02:07 new-host Rip[477]: Extracted sectors 0 - 15733 to 49ebaf22.wav, 0 C2 block errors. MD5 = (null)
Dec 15 17:02:07 new-host Rip[477]: Extracted sectors 0 - 15733 to 7dd5035c.wav, 0 C2 block errors. MD5 = (null)
Dec 15 17:02:07 new-host Rip[477]: Track extracted before but SHA1 hashes don't match.

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Re: khead takes a whack

Post by khead » Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:33 pm

I'm trying to post the crash logs, but they exceed the character limit.

Any suggestions?

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Re: khead takes a whack

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Re: khead takes a whack

Post by khead » Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:34 pm

OK - Thanks. I actually got it to work.
I'll add more later.

http://pastebin.com/m4b557e70

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Re: khead takes a whack

Post by Fuga » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:09 pm

You can also use the Code tag:

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COMMENTARY: JOHN KELSO
Bush too quick for Iraqi TV reporter's sizzling shoeballs
Tuesday, December 16, 2008
Today's topic? It's gotta be the shoes.

When an Iraqi journalist chucked his shoes at President Bush during a news conference Sunday in Baghdad, American journalists wondered one thing.

Could he expense-account them? You know he's not getting them back, right?

Lord knows how many of us in the news business in this country have gotten stuck covering tedious news conferences and wanted to hurl something at the podium. What stops us? Manners? Nah. Most journalists don't make enough money to toss away a good pair of shoes just to make a point.

So the big question becomes whether this Iraqi TV reporter could put his shoes on his expense account under "miscellaneous" and get the managing editor to sign off on them.

"This is a gift from the Iraqis; this is the farewell kiss, you dog," Muntadhar al-Zeidi shouted before he threw his shoes one after the next at Bush's head. See, in Iraq, it's an insult to throw your shoes at somebody. Not like it's a big compliment in Waco — although in those parts it would be a pointy-toed boot.

Anyway, this probably being Bush's final Iraq trip, it means his legacy is that this guy thinks he's a heel. And the shoes? They should put them in the Smithsonian.

You gotta wonder what's to become of Zeidi. I figure maybe he'll get his own talk show on Al-Jazeera, or on MSNBC with Keith Olbermann.

I saw the video of Zeidi hurling his footwear at Bush, and all I could think of was 'Take me out to the ballgame.' What an arm. What a fastball. Zeidi's first toss whizzed past Bush's right ear with some zip on it. Bush was so nimble at dodging the shoe that it looked as if he's used to people throwing junk at him. With his approval rating, this is a surprise? Then Zeidi let loose his second pitch, a high hard one over Bush's head.

Last time I looked, the Yankees could use some pitching. They should invite this guy to spring training. So what kind of shoes was Zeidi wearing? I'd say they probably weren't lace-ups, because they came off easily. Handy tip: If you're fixing to wing your shoes at the president, wear slip-ons.

The problem with this protest is that it'll mean more hassles for travelers out at the airport. Under current rules, we only have to take off our shoes while going through security. Now that this guy has tried to bean the president with his Florsheims, they won't let us wear shoes on the plane at all. I wouldn't be surprised if Homeland Security declares a three-day cooling-off period on shoe purchases. So before that happens, I'm going to Payless and loading up. Hey, they'll have to pry my Crocs from my cold, dead hands.

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